Wow! listen here.
It takes 10 minutes, but you'll get the idea as soon as he starts speaking to 3AW's Neil Mitchell.
No regret, no guilt, little self-awareness, ten years on.
Here was me back then:
"The Bankers Association says that bank fees aren't too high, while demonstrating that its members, if pressed, can rustle up $1 million, repeatedly, to pay the consultancy which employs John Laws. Put one way: one in every $1,400 that householders hand over in bank fees now apparently goes to the Laws consultancy. Put another way: some 10,000 Australian bank customers now pay their fees to the Laws organisation rather than to assist the running of the banks."